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jamiec666

"I must say BeesKnees, much as I like Damon it did take Schumacher moving to Ferrari (whose car was vastly inferior at that point) to finally win the title, even though he was in an astonishingly good Williams car. And then Villeneuve came along and it was curtains for Hill as a world champion. I'd say Lewis and Jenson, each in his own way, are both better than Hill; Lewis for his aggression and willingness to race, and Jenson for his as yet neary flawless driving this season. None of them are as good as Jim Clark was though. "

beesknees2004

"petefrombristol; What are you on about? Since when was Damon always crashing, apart from a couple of altercations with Michael Schumacher when he let the red mist take over I don't recall him crashing all the time. He was one of the smoothest drivers ever in F1, more so than Button which led to some people saying he was boring as they do Button now. Give me talented drivers like Damon and Jenson who look after the car, any day of the week over drivers who are totally incapable of looking after tyres and spinning off half a dozen times in a race."

jamiec666

"Exactly Chylout. The cry of the conspiracy theorist is the weakest debating mechanism around. The circumstances are always the same; the person in question cannot accept a certain event or occurrence, and therefore tries to weave an argument to undermine its credibility. This argument is usually complete conjecture, way less likely than the obvious (and true) explanation, and can be defended simply by a tap on the side of the nose and platitudes such as 'I know what's really going on here' and 'it's just too deep for you to understand'; or in other words 'it's not fair, it's not fair!' and 'I can't accept that you don't agree with me, so you must be too stupid to see the truth'. The problem is that there is no evidence, or even common sense behind the Glock theory at all. In fact, evidence (via video footage and lap times) and common sense are entirely on the side of the obvious explanation here. The only reason or motive for what the Glock theorists propose is that they themselves don't want Hamilton to win anything. "

Chylout

"jamie666 absolutely spot on. Can't believe people are still bringing up the Glock - Brazil thing. But since you are, Woodsiesr, not only is jamie666's argument an excellent one, but I would also remind you that Glock set the quickest dry tyre lap of all those who stayed out on the final lap at Interlagos - for example Trulli in the same car also stayed on dry tyres and lapped slower than Glock on that lap - Toyota released that telemetry to prove it wasn't a fix. You also forget that most if not all of the field stated they were backing Massa for the title before the race. And finally, let's assume Glock / Toyota did intend to help Lewis out - if that was the case why would they stay out on dry tyres - that strategy was aimed at leapfrogging Hamilton and Vettel and, had the race been 1 lap shorter, it would have worked. They were doing what they could to get as many points as they could and the gamnle didn't pay off - how does that fit with your theory of Glock helping Lewis (or is that too great a leap of logic for you?)"

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